2000. You tell me, what is the problem with the following syllogism? Thats what fish really enjoy!. Dao The goal is to figure out what to do in the actual case, which can shed light on what our prima facie duties are in other actual cases. The yak and the weasel. Zhang, Gengguang , trans. I filled them with water but they werent volume20,pages 133148 (2021)Cite this article. Early Confucian Perspectives on Emotions. In Dao Companion to Classical Confucian Philosophy, edited by Vincent Shen. I know it by standing here on the bridge of the River Hao.. Google Scholar. Theory of Non-Emotion in the Zhuangzi and Its Connection to Wei-Jin Poetry. Journal of Chinese Philosophy 40.2: 340354. Guiyang : Guizhou Renmin Chubanshe . Revisiting the Exchange between Zhuangzi and Huizi on As we learned with Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, philosophy has The unrealistic nature of a thought experiment is one thing that can differentiate it from other counterfactual reasoning. Cao, Chuji , trans. https://doi.org/10.1007/s11712-020-09765-6, https://www.academia.edu/35172330/Zhuangzis_Doctrine_of_No_Emotions_forthcoming_in_Dao_Companion_to_the_Philosophy_of_the_Zhuangzi_Kim_Chong_Chong_and_Kai_Yuan_Cheng_eds_final_draft, https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/handle/2022/23427, http://www.terebess.hu/english/chuang.html. Anyone you share the following link with will be able to read this content: Sorry, a shareable link is not currently available for this article. One thing that does seem clear is that Zhuangzi advances the view that anything one asserts is necessarily from a certain perspective. The Complete Works of Chuang Tzu. 2012. Here we see Zhuangzi make explicit that which hitherto he spoke of only implicitlythe significance of the phoenix, Peng, and the difference between the great and the small. New York: Seven Bridges Press. 2018. 1981/2001. What should you do?1, Huizi said to Zhuangzi, The king of Wei left me the seeds of a big gourd. Fraser, Chris. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Zhuangzi. If you dont loose yourself, things will bind you. Monica Link, Anecdotes and thought experiments in Zhuangzi and Western philosophy ,Rivista di estetica [Online], 72|2019, online dal 01 mars 2020, consultato il 02 mai 2023. Zhuang Zi: De volledige geschriften: Het grote klassieke boek van het Taosme Amsterdam: Uitgeverij Augustus. 1968. He does this because he knows his logic to be validthat is to say, he knows that his premises and conclusions follow. 2010. Zhuangzi. Puett, Michael J. What better carriage? Changsha: Hunan Renmin Chubanshe. The great gourd. Qu Yuan was a versatile government official at that time, and he was highly But Mary has never actually seen anything colored because she lives in a black and white world. 1889. 2015. Were There Inner Chapters in the Warring States? 2010. 2001. Shun, Kwong-loi. Are we just engaging in irresponsible moral epistemology in using hypothetical thought experiments and taking them, at best, as tools of persuasion to belief in a certain claim and, at worst, as grounds of evidence for a position? Why not lash them together like big buoys and go floating on rivers and lakes instead of worrying that they were too big to dip into anything?21. The Zhuangist Views on Emotions. Asian Philosophy 28.1: 5567. Zhuangzi Flashcards | Quizlet Lin, Yutang , trans. Beyond the Troubled Water of Shifei: From Disputation to Walking-Two-Roads in the Zhuangzi. I cut it in half to make a dipper, bit it was too wide to scoop into anything. Bradley, Scott P. 2015. But in cherry picking some famous thought experiments and anecdotes in the Zhuangzi, I will demonstrate that there are a couple of interesting differences to draw out that I think would apply to many pairings of a Western thought experiment and one of Zhuangzis stories. You asked me how I know what fish enjoy so you already knew I knew it when you asked the question. Huizi described the tree as gnarled, similar to Sartres description. 2003. I planted them, and they grew to the size of five bushels. 2010. Xu, Bing . Were There Inner Chapters in the Warring States? In comparing the features of Western thought experiments to fables from Zhuangzi, we will see that although Zhuangzis stories would likely fail to be considered good philosophical thought experiments (according to the Western tradition), the very thing that makes them fail is arguably what allows the writings of Zhuangzi to continue to inspire philosophical reflection and dialogue. Zhuangzi said, The minnows swim about so freely, following the openings wherever they take them. You can divert the trolley to another track that only has one person on it. Zhuangzi: The Inner Chapters. The Status of Qing in Philosophical Texts of Ancient China. In Expressions of States of Mind in Asia, edited by Paolo Santangelo. This word is also used in the title of the first chapter of the Zhuangzi: Free and Easy Wandering (xiao yao you ). The Tradition of Emotive Writing in the Zhuangzi and Its Echoes in Later Generations. Frontiers of Philosophy in China 10.3: 340352. Mair, Victor H., trans. In Western thought experiments although there often are elements that defy reality as we know it, it is understood that that kind of setup is necessary to bring out certain features of a problem that do correspond to our reality. I cannot stress enough the importance of being an independent individual in order to achieve success in language learning. At this point one might reasonably ask: why bother stretching peoples imagination? Napoli: Universit degli Studie di Napoli LOrientale.. Zhang, Mosheng, , trans. Dordrecht: Springer. Beijing : Shangwu Yinshuguan . 1981/2001. Because my conclusion follows logically, my premises must also be correct; therefore, evidence which contradicts my premises must be false; therefore my premises must be true; and therefore my conclusion also must be correct.. https://doi.org/10.1007/s11712-020-09765-6, DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11712-020-09765-6. 15Or to take an example not from ethics, John Searle writes about being in a room with a manual that helps him to correlate certain Chinese characters such that he can answer questions given to him in Chinese (even though he knows no Chinese) by referring to a manual written in English about which characters to give in response to which character inputs. Eno, Robert, trans. London: Bernard Quaeitch. 3 0 obj Emotion in Pre-Qin Ruist Moral Theory: An Explanation of Dao Begins in Qing. Philosophy East and West 53.2: 271281. I planted them, Machek, David. Emotions and Genuineness in Chinese Native Thinking: A Response to Graham and Hansen ():. Journal of Beijing Youth Politics College 14.1: 4852. The video below (Flight from the Shadow) is an example of the type of teaching he engaged in. Sometimes he offers a direct commentary on a certain character or view; other times he doesnt. 29I will end with one of my favorite passages in the Zhuangzi, from chapter 26 in which he writes, a trap is for fish: when youve got the fish, you can forget the trap. Even though the lessons are in story form, that doesnt mean that they are easy to decipher. To smash it into pieces is to say, This thing is just a waste of space and a frustration for me. 16Piggy-backing on this, after a clear question is raised through the thought experiment, there is often a claim being advanced by the originator of the experiment. Must? People who follow their natures and pursue their own path to language learning will be happier and more successful than learners who try meet goals set for them by others. 3 In fact, in Zhuangzis case, the featured voices are often non-human. Being in the forest industry, I know that a crooked tree is not suitable for making standard commodity lumber products, but it can make high quality decorative products which feature its natural beauty and individuality. Ray Sorensen writes that analytic philosophers make heavy use of thought experiment because it is the natural test for the clarificatory practices constituting conceptual analysis: definition, question delegation, drawing distinctions, crafting adequacy conditions, teasing out entailments, advancing possibility proofs, mapping inference patterns (1992: 15). What, if anything, are you morally required to do? He points out that imaginary cases reveal moral principles to us which we can then use to determine our attitude in a new case10, and this can be especially useful when something about certain features of real cases distracts us from what is actually morally important. 1993. Lenehan, Katia. Monica Link, Anecdotes and thought experiments in Zhuangzi and Western philosophy ,Rivista di estetica, 72|2019, 7-18. https://www.academia.edu/35172330/Zhuangzis_Doctrine_of_No_Emotions_forthcoming_in_Dao_Companion_to_the_Philosophy_of_the_Zhuangzi_Kim_Chong_Chong_and_Kai_Yuan_Cheng_eds_final_draft (last accessed on October 12, 2020). In this article we focus on the famous dialogue between Zhuangzi and Huizi concerning the question whether or not ren (in particular the shengren ) have qing . Albany: State University of New York Press. Well end by analyzing a parablea conversation between logician Huizi and a fictionalize version of Zhuangzi himself: Huizi said to Zhuangzi, The King of Wei gave me the seed of a great gourd. One might also describe this as engaging in Socratic Dialectical thought. Emotion in Pre-Qin Ruist Moral Theory: An Explanation of Dao Begins in Qing. Philosophy East and West 53.2: 271281. Dao 20, 133148 (2021). In this article we focus on the famous dialogue between Zhuangzi and Huizi concerning the question whether or not ren (in particular the shengren ) have qing . Zhuangzi: The Essential Writings. It is at this juncture which we return to Zhuangzis answer, to Kun skyward transformation into Peng, and to the scoldquails ignorance of Pengs necessity to soar so high for so far a journey. https://www.academia.edu/35172330/Zhuangzis_Doctrine_of_No_Emotions_forthcoming_in_Dao_Companion_to_the_Philosophy_of_the_Zhuangzi_Kim_Chong_Chong_and_Kai_Yuan_Cheng_eds_final_draft (last accessed on October 12, 2020). Legge, James, trans. Schipper, Kristofer, trans. In Les pres du systme Taoste. WebZhuangzi and Huizi were strolling along the dam of the Hao Waterfall when Zhuangzi said, See how the minnows come out and dart around where they please! Jinan : Qilu Shushe . Virg, Curie. 2010. Why else would he deem the gourd worthy of destruction? Lin, Yutang , trans. 2010. 25Because with Zhuangzi its not always clear what is being asked, or what position he is advocating, readers start to wonder about the man behind the stories, entertaining questions such as: What kind of philosopher is Zhuangzi? Let us bring our Wandering Far and Unfettered to a close here in this third Meditation of the Zhuangzis opening chapter. 2018. 2010. Albany: State University of New York Press. 1994. Bryan Van Norden and Philip Ivanhoe write of Zhuangzi saying, rather than delivering a message, the Zhuangzi seems to go out of its way to defy understanding. Chen, Guying , trans. 1985. (LogOut/ 2011. 2014. For example, Robert Nozick imagines a machine that can give a person whatever experiences she desires.16 While in this Experience Machine the person will really feel the pleasure of those experiences and will not know that its all just a simulation. In fact, there is more value in destroying it than keeping it around. Now imagine we were discussing an idea, say, a potential solution to a problem. Nothing Can Overcome Heaven: The Notion of Spirit in the Zhuangzi. In Hiding the World in the World: Uneven Discourses on the Zhuangzi, edited by Scott Cook. Jinan : Qilu Shushe . Ma, L., van Brakel, J. Revisiting the Exchange between Zhuangzi and Huizi on Qing. The Philosophy of Life: A New Reading of the Zhuangzi. On another nearby track there is only one person working. Giles, Herbert A., trans. Watson, Burton, trans. 28Traditional Western thought experiments and stories in Zhuangzi serve several purposes that might be harder to achieve with more straightforward argumentation or prose. Contrast the greater man with the lesser. 2018. It was big and all, but because it was so useless I finally just smashed it to pieces., Zhuangzi said, You are certainly stupid when it comes to using big things. 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Master Chariot is one of many characters Zhuangzi discusses who is odd, for lack of a better word, and perhaps Zhuangzi would like us to see that Master Chariot, as well as other unique characters in our communities, are people who still have a voice and should be paid attention to because they may have important things to say about living naturally and freely. Dordrecht: Springer. 2011. Huizi And Zhuangzi <>/ExtGState<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 595.32 841.92] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> Zhuangzi Chong, Kim-chong. London: Bernard Quaeitch. The Zhuangist Views on Emotions. Asian Philosophy 28.1: 5567. Fundamentals of Comparative and Intercultural Philosophy. ______, trans. This article was supported by National Social Sciences Funding (Major Program) of China [Grant No. There is a runaway trolley that is headed towards five people who are repairing the tracks up ahead. Dschuang-Dsi. My back is hunched out. 2000. If, in time, he turns my left arm into a rooster, Ill use it to crow the day. Jackson has actually since changed his position on the thesis of physicalism and he no longer thinks its false. Zhuangzi, aka Chang Tzu, aka Zhuang Zhao, was a Chinese Taoist master, c. 300 AD. China. Instead, you worried that it was too wide to scoop into anything, which I guess means the mind of our greatly esteemed master here is still clogged up, occupied with its bushes and branches! (Zhuangzi 7-8). Oxford: Oxford University Press. Sheesh! Step 2: Check your email inbox & spam folder for a verification letter to complete the process (This is to ensure your email is valid). Mair, Victor H., trans. Some scholars have suggested that Huizis argument is self-contradictory; however, in fact, based on such evaluations of Huizis argument, we can conclude that Zhuangzis logic is also self-contradictory. Paris: Cathasia, 2e tirage. First, we demonstrate that, while Huizi probably understands qing as something like feelings or emotions, Zhuangzis view is that having qing is connected with making shifei judgments whereas having no qing means that shifei has no grip on those ren, especially the shengren. This is exactly what is occurring in the mind of Huizi. Springer Nature remains neutral with regard to jurisdictional claims in published maps and institutional affiliations. If there werent other places where Zhuangzi seems to poke fun at so many people and schools of thought, arguably including Daoist thought,24 then we could be more confident in making a straightforward conclusion about what Zhuangzi likely thinks of Master Chariots all-embracing and arguably excited attitude towards his dramatically changing body and life. He believes he knows what a gourd is capable of and useful for; and therefore, he believes that his conclusion about his great gourd is correct; therefore, he believes that his trials (filling it, cutting it into a dipper, etc.) Zhang, Mosheng, , trans. Uselessness. Les fondements philosophiques de la rhtorique chez les sophistes grecs et chez les sophiste chinois. 2004. Sometimes the human beings are normal human beings, but they are involved in highly unusual situations. https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/handle/2022/23427 (last accessed on November 27, 2020). Liu, Qingping. Introduction: Emotions and the Conceptual History of Qing . In Love and Emotions in Traditional Chinese Literature, edited by Halvor Eifring. Wang Bi and Xuanxue. In Dao Companion to Daoist Philosophy, edited by Xiaogan Liu. In this paper I will present a few well-known thought experiments from contemporary Western philosophers and highlight some characteristic traits of such thought experiments. For example, we might want to interpret Master Chariots story in light of other thingsZhuangzi says about the natural transformation of things25 and conclude that Zhuangzi is trying to say that transformation (whether an arm into a rooster, or life into death) is nothing to fear or avoid. Psychology and Self-Cultivation in Early Taoistic Thought. Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies 51.2: 599650. Chuang Tzu. 2003. 1928/1989. In these classic thought experiments, and many others, there is a clear question being asked. He was down to earth and had a tongue in cheek sense of humour. I filled it with liquid, vres De Tchoang-Tzeu. Hansen, Chad. However, what he does not realize is that he cannot assume that his premises are right, that each point is itself necessarily true. This is a preview of subscription content, access via your institution. Wandering on the Way. I planted it, and when it matured it weighed over a hundred pounds. The maker of things is really knotting me up.Master Sacrifice said, Do you dislike it?He said, Not at all. Zhuang Zi and the Education of the Emotions. Comparative Philosophy 9.1: 3246. Feng, Youlan, trans. Huizi and Zhuangzi about gourds; the story of Cook Ding (sometimes called Butcher Ding); and the story of Wheelwright Pian. Paris: Les belles lettres. It is precisely because we dont know exactly what Zhuangzi is up to that the discussion and wonder are enduring. The Writings of Kwang-Tze. Napoli: Universit degli Studie di Napoli LOrientale.. The author thanks the helpful comments of anonymous reviewers, and thanks the authors of all the references. Whereas the trees in the industrial forest are straight and look alike, the crooked tree grew alone, or with a mixture of other trees of different ages and species. 3Of course there is no way in one paper that I could hope to take into consideration the variety of contemporary Western thought experiments and compare them to even half of the fables we find in the Zhuangzi. 2009. With Zhuangzi, however, its not clear that understanding his stories is supposed to lead us back to some aspect of human life. 2015. The Background of the Mencian Theory of Human Nature. Tsing Hua Journal of Chinese Studies 6.12: 215271. ______. volume20,pages 133148 (2021)Cite this article. The debate between Zhuangzi and Huizi has profound epistemological significance, however, the main body of their debate comprises logical inferences and refutations. Liu, Qingping. WebZhuangzi is criticizing his friend Huizi for smashing giant gourds because he couldnt find a conventional use for them. The specific type of fiction that Western philosophers use is often called a thought experiment. Reding, Jean-Paul. Zhuangzi. 2010. 18ZDA031]. Emotionless in Confucianism and Daoism: A New Interpretation. Journal of Chinese Philosophy 38.1: 118133. 24Alternatively, perhaps Zhuangzi thinks Master Chariot is crazy, and he is inventing a character who seems accepting of such ridiculous things happening as a way of questioning the sanity of a mind that is so calm and unperturbedMaster Chariot then would be an example of how Daoist passivity can go too far. He went on to plant these seeds when they grew too large to be able towater them, he decided to smash them into pieces instead. Zhuangzi describes a man who is skilled at making balm to keep the hands from chapping (p. 7).4 His family never earns Bradenton, FL: BookLocker. 5 Howick Place | London | SW1P 1WG. Therefore, this paper mainly focuses on the logical aspects of the debate. School of Philosophy, Renmin University of China (Zhe-xue-yuan), Av. Leiden: Brill. Huizi and Zhuangzi about gourds; the story of Cook Ding (sometimes called Butcher Ding); and the story of Wheelwright Pian. ______. Thomson, J., 1985, The Trolley Problem, Yale Law Journal, 94: 1395-1415. Many involve imagining human beings as participants. A Complete Translation of the Zhuangzi [in modern Chinese] . Puett, Michael J. Such distractions can be left out of fabricated cases so that we can better focus on the relevant moral principles. Now had I used this for holding liquids, it would have been too heavy to lift; and had I cut it in half for ladles, the ladles would have been too flat for such purpose. WebAn interesting legend of Zongzi has been passed down through generations from ancient China. Did you know that with a free Taylor & Francis Online account you can gain access to the following benefits? Sartres gnarly tree root and Zhuangzi Feeling in Zhuangzi: From Joy to Serenity. In Expressions of States of Mind in Asia, edited by Paolo Santangelo. Huizi believes his knowledge is sufficiently complete as to be capable of using rational deduction to come to only correct answers. Nozick, R., 1974,Anarchy, State, and Utopia, New York, Basic Books. 2016. 4This paper has two main sections. 2003. Chong, Kim-chong. I cut them into pieces to make ladles, but they were so flat and broad that they wouldn't hold anything. - 69.163.152.102. Daoism: Laozi and Zhuangzi. In World Philosophy, edited by Jay L. Garfield and William Edelglass. Watson, Burton, trans. Xu, Bing . 1985. 1920. crits de Matre Wen , . If he turns my right arm into a bow, Ill shoot down a dove for roasting. Nothing has ever beaten Heaven. Springer Nature remains neutral with regard to jurisdictional claims in published maps and institutional affiliations. 2018. This curiosity about the man behind the story I will return to later. Zhuangzi himself has traditionally been taken as the author of some of the chapters, although his precise contribution is uncertain. This study presents clear modern logic analysis of the debate; it can also provide a more reliable logical basis for the discussions of Zhuangzi and Huizis related philosophical thoughts. Great gourd , stink tree ), By doing nothing one can accomplish everything. Change is to be welcomed, and nothing should be held onto too tightly, because change itself is the only constant thing. 10While no doubt many thought experiments do function in this way, Dancy is acutely aware that there is something very odd about the idea that we can learn important truths about the way we should behave from an examination of cases which are creatures of our imagination.11 He points out several reasons why we might worry about reasoning from an imaginary case to an actual case. Eno, Robert, trans. Psychology and Self-Cultivation in Early Taoistic Thought. Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies 51.2: 599650. 2014. Once a conclusion has been reached, the presupposer in question rejects all evidence which contradicts his premises. Middendorf, Ulrike. Morgan, Jeffrey. 2011. . Huizi said to Zhuangzi, The King of Wei gave me the seed of a great gourd. The Happiness of Fish A Taoist Tale, Huizi said, Youre not a fish how do you know what fish enjoy?, Zhuangzi said, Youre not me, so how do you know I dont know what fish enjoy?, Huizi said, Im not you, so I certainly dont know what you know. Middendorf, Ulrike. He made fun of ritual, dogma, and pretentious moralizing.
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