', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Your link has been automatically embedded. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Yeh. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". actually better than many expensive gears I heard. Clear editor. [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. By Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. Your link has been automatically embedded. Posted February 9, 2005. There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch Cornwall | Audiokarma Home Audio The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. You cannot paste images directly. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. Altec The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. I would stick with full fledged horns. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Altec Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! dkalsi Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. Clear editor. Thank you, man! I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. 1 watched in the last 24 hours. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. It will! i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. Although I have had Khorns sound good WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. Just spent all day comparing Tannoy 15'' Gold, JBL 4430, Altec He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by Powered by Invision Community. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? Posted January 20, 2005. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. It's as if the 511 was made for it! You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. Comparing Altecs to Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. Klipsch Khorn or Altec Lansing model 19 Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. Paste as plain text instead, I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. klipsch Versus Altec Lansing - The Klipsch Audio Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. this can result in this site earning a commission. Add to cart. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. ). No mean feat. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. Klipschorn AK6 Offers Improved Performance Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? Paste as plain text instead, It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. He was thrilled. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. They are HUGE and so is their sound. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. You can post now and register later. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a It would have to be mounted externally. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. I do NOT recommend that combination. I know of several people who have made than change. LOL.. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. 2.8k. The sound is very good. I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. No for the reason above. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. You're in denial. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Here's the 1953 plans. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Just something different often sounds better at first. []. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. Altec If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Therefore, of course I agree. Audiogon Discussion Forum Display as a link instead, The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? I will always love my altecs. By Pasted as rich text. Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. They all sound good and they're all different. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Makes this a great hobby. Schu Interesting. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Are they really that different??? Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. However- Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. 811B Horns - Technical/Restorations - The Klipsch Audio Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Quote. In any case, you will want to experiment with I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Item Information. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. KLIPSCH or ALTEC ? | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo
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